I met members of the Shincheonji cult several times in 2012. At that time, I had been a Christian for a while and involved in the service of the church. As I recall how zealously the members of Shincheonji preached to me, I thank God from the depths of my heart for his mercy and safekeeping. If I hadn't had some foundation in my faith, I could have unknowingly become their "possession." Even if it didn't work out as they wished, the experience really made me miserable for half-a-year because of being entangled with all of the information that they gave me.
Together with a sister, I once went to a Sunday evening gathering at the largest local church in the city. We worked hard to follow the pastor's sermon and consulted the Bible. An elder "aunt" sitting in the back row patted us on the shoulder from time to time, asking us for help with the Bible. But I was uncomfortable because I felt she was overly enthusiastic.
The sister who was with me was happy to communicate with her. The "aunt" kept complimenting us because we both longed for the Word of God. After the gathering, she insisted on asking for our contact information. The sister who was with me agreed, but I didn't.
I told the sister to be cautious because this lady seemed weird. But she thought it was nothing. She simply thought that she was a kind old lady. The following day, the sister got a message from the lady, inviting the sister to her home.
The sister wanted to go, but I recommended that she not do so. However, she thought that it was not appropriate to refuse an elderly person. Since we were both unsure, I decided to go with her if she insisted on going.
When we met again, the lady greeted us with enthusiasm, brought us fruit and invited us to her house. It was difficult for my friend to refuse her kindness. However, after arriving at her place, I recognized from the lady's words that it was not her home. She explained that although this was not her own home, it was a place where brothers and sisters in the Lord gathered to study God's words, and cook meals. She said she wanted us to help her judge and see what was going on there, but in fact she was a member of this community. After she got us settled, she went to pick up another sister she had invited.
The people in that house, who had heard that we loved the Bible, welcomed and praised us, and seemed overly warm in their welcome. During our discussion they asked some questions like: "What do you think of the sermons in the church? What do you think of salvation? Do you think the pastor clearly states how to be saved?" I replied that I thought the sermons were good and worthwhile. But the other people in the room had their own opinions. One said that she didn't understand the sermons, and the pastor did not teach thoroughly. She claimed that the pastor once said that he was not sure whether he would go to heaven. Others concurred.
I hadn't heard as many of the pastors sermons as they had, but I was sure that some of their opinions must be taken out of context or deliberately misinterpreted. I offered an opinion in defense of the pastors. A Sister Li who was at the meeting didn't become angry with us, but gently led us to look up the scriptures that confirmed her point of view.
Unlike discussions with other believers, she turned to the Book of Revelation first, and then found several scriptures from Old Testament prophets. She asked questions like; "Do you know about the Passover? Do you know who John in the Book of Revelation is? Or do the Scriptures imply that he is someone else? Does Revelation foretell the future or is it happening?" I could sense that she was suggesting that the John in the Book of Revelation was not John, the disciple of Jesus, but a man connected to the second coming of Christ. He is the one who would unravel the prophecy, and he alone has the living water.
I was having a hard time listening, and I became more and more certain that there was something wrong with what she was saying. Later, I just asked her directly, "You can just go ahead and say it, do you mean you know who this John is? If you know him, where is he?" She said I was too anxious, but as long as I followed her for a while, I could then draw my own conclusions. She mentioned their seminary to me, and said that someone who studied well at their seminary for only six weeks could then teach the Bible to others. She also said that I would be able to skip the basics, and go straight to the improvement program, which would be a faster pace than others. I said I wasn't interested and that I had my own church. Then, my sisters and I left. Before we left, they continued to express their love to us. Sister Li repeatedly asked for my contact information, and I finally agreed to give it her.
We decided not to go there again and shared our experience with our pastor. Based on this experience, I searched the Internet and found that these persons had many similarities with the Shincheonji group.
Sister Li contacted me several times and said she would meet me at the cathedral, not the small church. I told my pastor about this; he thought it was ok, and that perhaps I could share my own faith testimony with them. When we met this time, I found that Sister Li was the head of a youth fellowship group in that church, leading more than ten people to study together in a classroom in the church. Because of this, no one at the church found it strange when she invited others to study the Bible.
She told me more directly that the Book of Revelation is about events that have already happened. She talked about the establishment of their church, and hinted again that the person who can unravel the sealed Book of Revelation is the true "lamb". I asked her: "Do you know Li Wanxi? Are you talking about him? Do you have a relationship with Shincheonji?" She did not answer me positively, but simply let the question go. I once again stated that I was not interested. She was very disappointed, and we didn't have contact with each other anymore.
About half a year later, during a gathering at our church, I met another Sister Li, whom I had met the first time at Shincheonj. She brought another sister to our gathering. We were both surprised when we saw each other. When the gathering was over she greeted me, and we talked about our own situations, and she kept my contact information.
Since then, she has been very eager to keep in touch with me. She greeted me and would not immediately discuss anything about faith. But she would then subtly shift the focus of her conversation to our beliefs, and try to convince me with the teachings she knew. Once, she arranged for me to meet with someone who looked better than she did, hoping that I'd respond to them better. That sister was very eloquent and knew a lot about the Bible, but it was obvious that she was trying to indoctrinate me. They even showed me internal videos from their church. They said the videos were for students in advanced courses, but they were so eager for me to understand that they broke the rules. The video was from an assembly in South Korea, with large numbers and mostly young people. At that time, I suddenly realized that this was the video about Shincheonj I'd seen on the Internet forwarded by many brothers and sisters. It was a "game" they organized in the name of love, gathering people from all over the world to spread the "idea of love."
They group members have really been quite caring. In order to make me change my mind, they were always enthusiastic, didn't hesitate to spend money when we met, complimented me, shed tears for me, and even made me feel guilty when I refused them. After thinking about it over and over again, I was ready to break my connection with Sister Li and not even have her as a friend. This is because each time I met them, I felt physically and mentally exhausted. I thought this was the end of my story with them, and then I realized that it was much more than that.
Later, a brother of our church was unable to come to the gatherings because of a work-related injury. Our pastor asked several of us to go to the brother's house twice a week to read the Bible, pray, and share with each other. At one time, two sisters we didn't know came to the gathering. They said that they heard we were reading the Bible together, and they also brought four more people with them. We received them warmly and talked happily with each other.
At a Sunday service, I met two of the six sisters, and one of them recognized me and sat down beside me. While the pastor gave the sermon, she was giving me her own ideas. I found that she was sharing the same doctrine as Shincheonj. I took a closer look at the entire gathering and found that it seemed to have been "invaded" by members of Shincheonj. They sat scattered in different corners of the church, each spreading their ideas to the people around them.
Because they were so unscrupulous, the church attendants had to pick up the microphone and warn the congregation to "be alert to the wolves in sheep's clothing." Another time, when I went to a gathering at another church, I saw one of them again. It seemed that they were everywhere and almost always two people at a time, listening humbly at first, asking questions about salvation in a longing manner, and then beginning to gently debate in their warped manner.
Since that time I have encountered members of the Shincheonj cult more than once. They have great passion for redeeming souls and bringing them out of their original churches. I have been in contact with about ten different members of the Shincheonj group. I was worried about attending any of the churches in that city because Shincheonj had a wide coverage and great mobility. My chances of meeting them were so high that I had a lot of worries. Later, I left the city and never met any of Shincheonj members again.
It took me a long time to get over these worries and sorrows. One of the main reasons is that I left that city and met some good Christians. If I were still in that city, I think I might still be suffering from depression.
- Translated by Sophia Chen
亲历:数次被新天地人“偶遇” 我沉闷痛苦了大半年
2012年,我几度接触过新天地的成员。当时我已信仰有段时间,也参与到教会的服侍中。后来回想那段被新天地人“热心传教”的经历,我心里只有感谢上帝的保守和怜悯,若不是有些信仰基础,或许我也不知不觉中沦为了他们的“囊中之物”。即便是最终未如他们所愿,那段被他们各类信息缠绕的日子,也着实让我痛苦难过了大半年。
教堂里初识 老阿姨一再称赞我们熟识圣经
当时,我和一位姐妹一起去当地最大的教堂参加周日晚聚会。听道的过程中,我和姐妹努力地跟着牧师的讲道查阅圣经,而坐在后排的老阿姨时不时拍我们肩膀,让我们帮助她翻阅圣经。但我总是觉得这个阿姨过于热心,心里不是很舒服。
当时和我一起的那个姐妹比我更有热心和爱心,她很乐意和老阿姨交流。那个阿姨不停地夸我们两个人多么渴慕神的话语之类的。聚会结束后,老阿姨执意要留下我们的联系方式,我没有留联系方式,但是那个姐妹留了。
我跟姐妹说,还是谨慎点好,总是觉得这个阿姨感觉怪怪的。但姐妹觉得没什么,再说阿姨也一把年纪了,看起来也很和善。第二天,姐妹收到阿姨的信息,邀请姐妹去她家里坐坐。
姐妹想去,我不想去,我也不建议姐妹去。但姐妹觉得拒绝老年人不合适,还是去看看好,但姐妹自己心里也没底,而且让她自己去我也不放心,所以我还是决定和她一起。
一再约见 交流中诋毁教堂牧师的讲道
可是,真正见面之后,老阿姨热情得不得了,给我们买水果,非常热情邀请我们去她家。姐妹受不过,决定去家里坐坐。可是,到了小区后,老阿姨的一些话让我判断出那里不是她的家。老阿姨各种解释,说这里虽然不是她自己的家,却是主内弟兄姐妹相聚的地方,大家可以一起交流神的话语,可以开小灶。她也希望我们帮她判断,看看这里讲的怎么样(其实她就是那里的成员)。把我们送上去后,她又去接另外一个她找到的姐妹了。
房间里面的人听说我们是在教堂找到的非常渴慕圣经的人,非常热情接待和夸赞我们,甚至有点太过热情了。之后,开始交流环节。他们问了一些问题:你觉得教堂讲道讲的怎么样?你对救恩怎么看?你觉得牧师讲得清楚吗?我回复的大意是:我觉得挺好的,听得也很有收获。可房间里的其他人各有观点,有人直说听不太明白,觉得牧师讲得不透彻,说她有一次听有个牧师讲自己都不知道自己能不能进天国,他们彼此附和,仿佛都有同感。
虽然我不如她们听哪个教堂牧师讲道多,但我相信有些观点一定是她们断章取义了,或者是故意曲解。我提出自己的看法为牧师们辩护。李姐妹没有生气,非常柔和地带领大家查起经来,印证她的观点。
多番暗示解开启示录的预言者已经来到
与一般教会不同的是,她最先翻到的是启示录,然后是旧约先知书找了几处经文。大概总结起来就是,你知道“逾越节”吗?你知道启示录的约翰是谁吗?还是暗示着别人呢?启示录预言的是未来的事情,还是正在发生的事情呢?……我能感觉到她在暗示我:启示录的约翰不是耶稣的门徒约翰,而是如同再来基督一样的存在。他是一个可以解开预言的人,只有他那里有生命的活水。
我听得很煎熬,我也越来越确定她所讲的有问题。到后来,我干脆就直接和她说:“你就直说吧,你的意思是不是你知道这个约翰是谁?你认识他,他在哪里?”李姐妹说我太着急了,只要跟着她学段时间,我自己就可以得出结论。她和我提了她们的神学院,她说有人在她们的神学院学习一个半月,就很厉害了,如今已经可以给别人讲解圣经了。 她还说我连基础的课都可以省了,可以直接进入提高课程,会比别人领受得更快。我说不感兴趣,而且我也有自己的所属教会了。后来,我就和姐妹走了,临走之前,她们还不停地表达爱。李姊妹一再请求下,我留下了自己的联系方式。
意外发现新天地人竟然在教堂带领团契
后来,我们不打算再去了,也跟我们牧师讲了这个经历。根据这次经历,我在网络上搜索,发现他们和新天地有很多相似之处。
李姊妹先后联系过我几次,她说要在大教堂见面,不在小教会。我和牧师说了这个情况后,牧师觉得见见也没什么,或许也可以把我所秉承的信仰见证出去。
我们按着约定见面了,我发现李姊妹居然是那个教堂某个青年团契的负责人,在教堂的教室里带领着十多个人一起学习。正是因为这个缘故,李姊妹邀请教堂的任何一个年轻人学习圣经,对方都不会觉得不合理。
这次见面,李姓姐妹更直接地告诉我,启示录所讲的是已经发生的事情,然后大概讲了她们教会的创立过程。并再次暗示我能解开启示录被封住的书卷(预言)的人才是真正的“羔羊”。我当时直接问她:“你知道李万熙吗?你说的是他吗?你们和新天地有关系吗?”她没有正面回答我,但是默认了我的话。我再次表示自己不感兴趣,以后就不用再联系我了。李姐妹非常失望,就这样,我们没有再来往。
再次碰面 新天地人用内部视频劝我回心转意
大概过了半年左右,在我们教会的一次聚会中,我碰到了第一次在新天地聚会点见过的另一位李姊妹,她带来了另外一个姐妹来参加我们的聚会。她见到我非常惊喜。我也很意外。聚会之后,她和我打招呼,我们聊了聊彼此的情况,她留了我的联系方式。
之后她就一直非常热情地和我保持联系,没见面时绝口不提信仰,只是问候。不过一见面聊天,她就会潜移默化地转移焦点到彼此的信仰上,然后以她所知道的教义说服我。有一次,她还带着一个看起来比她更厉害的人跟我相见,希望我更加了解她们。那个姐妹口才真是很好,对圣经知道的也很多,但过程中明显是压迫性地灌输给我听。甚至直接给我看了她们教会的内部视频。她们说这些视频是要给高级课程的学生看的,但她们太希望我明白了,所以违规给我看的。视频是他们在韩国聚会的场景,人数很多,而且多是年轻人。当时我恍然大悟,原来我之前在网络上看到的很多教会弟兄姐妹转发的某个视频,竟然就是新天地的。那是他们以爱的名义组织的一次“运动会”,召聚世界各地的人聚在一起,传播“爱的思想”。
她们真的是有“爱心”,为了使我“回心转意”可以付出全部热情,毫不吝啬花钱接待我,赞美我,和为我流泪,甚至让我一度觉得拒绝她们会内心愧疚。 思考了再三之后,我准备断开和李姐妹的交往,连朋友也不要做了。因为我每次和她们见面之后身心俱疲。
我以为我和她们的故事到这里就结束了,过后才发现,远远不止如此。
其他场合也不断“偶遇”新天地人
后来,我们教会一弟兄因为工伤致残无法来聚会。牧师委托我们几个人一起每周去弟兄家聚两次,一起读经,祷告,彼此分享。有一次聚会中,来了两个我们不相识的姐妹,她们说是通过别人知道我们在一起读经就来了,又带了四个人。我们热情接待她们,彼此相谈甚欢。
那次主日礼拜,我遇到了这六个姐妹中的两人,其中一个认出了我,就坐在我的身边。然后,牧师在上面讲,她在下面给我讲。我发现她讲的和新天地的教义一样。我再仔细观察整个聚会,发现这场聚会似乎已经被新天地的人“入侵”了。她们分散地坐在教堂的不同角落,每个人都和身边的人不停地传播她们的思想。
因为她们实在太肆无忌惮了,所以教会服侍人员不得不拿起话筒,走到台前对下面的会众说,警惕披着羊皮的狼。
还有一次,我去另一个教堂的聚会时,又看到了她们中间的人。感觉她们像小强一样,无所不在。似乎,每次差不多都是两个人,开始时非常谦卑地听,渴慕地问救恩的问题,之后温柔而又扭曲地辩论。
之后的之后,我不止一次经历过新天地人。她们的热情极大。好像把人从原有教会带出来,是在救赎灵魂一般,是美好的服侍。我总共接触过新天地的成员有10人左右。我当时甚至为那个城市的教堂担忧,因为新天地人覆盖面广,流动性又大。我遇到他们的几率太高了,所以心中有很多忧愁。后来,我离开了那个城市,就没有再碰到相关的人员了。
……
后来,我花了很长时间才彻底从那种沉闷和忧愁中走出来。一个主要原因是我离开了那个城市,后来也遇到了一些生命美好的基督徒。如果我还在那个城市的话,我觉得也许还会陷在那种苦闷当中。
I met members of the Shincheonji cult several times in 2012. At that time, I had been a Christian for a while and involved in the service of the church. As I recall how zealously the members of Shincheonji preached to me, I thank God from the depths of my heart for his mercy and safekeeping. If I hadn't had some foundation in my faith, I could have unknowingly become their "possession." Even if it didn't work out as they wished, the experience really made me miserable for half-a-year because of being entangled with all of the information that they gave me.
Together with a sister, I once went to a Sunday evening gathering at the largest local church in the city. We worked hard to follow the pastor's sermon and consulted the Bible. An elder "aunt" sitting in the back row patted us on the shoulder from time to time, asking us for help with the Bible. But I was uncomfortable because I felt she was overly enthusiastic.
The sister who was with me was happy to communicate with her. The "aunt" kept complimenting us because we both longed for the Word of God. After the gathering, she insisted on asking for our contact information. The sister who was with me agreed, but I didn't.
I told the sister to be cautious because this lady seemed weird. But she thought it was nothing. She simply thought that she was a kind old lady. The following day, the sister got a message from the lady, inviting the sister to her home.
The sister wanted to go, but I recommended that she not do so. However, she thought that it was not appropriate to refuse an elderly person. Since we were both unsure, I decided to go with her if she insisted on going.
When we met again, the lady greeted us with enthusiasm, brought us fruit and invited us to her house. It was difficult for my friend to refuse her kindness. However, after arriving at her place, I recognized from the lady's words that it was not her home. She explained that although this was not her own home, it was a place where brothers and sisters in the Lord gathered to study God's words, and cook meals. She said she wanted us to help her judge and see what was going on there, but in fact she was a member of this community. After she got us settled, she went to pick up another sister she had invited.
The people in that house, who had heard that we loved the Bible, welcomed and praised us, and seemed overly warm in their welcome. During our discussion they asked some questions like: "What do you think of the sermons in the church? What do you think of salvation? Do you think the pastor clearly states how to be saved?" I replied that I thought the sermons were good and worthwhile. But the other people in the room had their own opinions. One said that she didn't understand the sermons, and the pastor did not teach thoroughly. She claimed that the pastor once said that he was not sure whether he would go to heaven. Others concurred.
I hadn't heard as many of the pastors sermons as they had, but I was sure that some of their opinions must be taken out of context or deliberately misinterpreted. I offered an opinion in defense of the pastors. A Sister Li who was at the meeting didn't become angry with us, but gently led us to look up the scriptures that confirmed her point of view.
Unlike discussions with other believers, she turned to the Book of Revelation first, and then found several scriptures from Old Testament prophets. She asked questions like; "Do you know about the Passover? Do you know who John in the Book of Revelation is? Or do the Scriptures imply that he is someone else? Does Revelation foretell the future or is it happening?" I could sense that she was suggesting that the John in the Book of Revelation was not John, the disciple of Jesus, but a man connected to the second coming of Christ. He is the one who would unravel the prophecy, and he alone has the living water.
I was having a hard time listening, and I became more and more certain that there was something wrong with what she was saying. Later, I just asked her directly, "You can just go ahead and say it, do you mean you know who this John is? If you know him, where is he?" She said I was too anxious, but as long as I followed her for a while, I could then draw my own conclusions. She mentioned their seminary to me, and said that someone who studied well at their seminary for only six weeks could then teach the Bible to others. She also said that I would be able to skip the basics, and go straight to the improvement program, which would be a faster pace than others. I said I wasn't interested and that I had my own church. Then, my sisters and I left. Before we left, they continued to express their love to us. Sister Li repeatedly asked for my contact information, and I finally agreed to give it her.
We decided not to go there again and shared our experience with our pastor. Based on this experience, I searched the Internet and found that these persons had many similarities with the Shincheonji group.
Sister Li contacted me several times and said she would meet me at the cathedral, not the small church. I told my pastor about this; he thought it was ok, and that perhaps I could share my own faith testimony with them. When we met this time, I found that Sister Li was the head of a youth fellowship group in that church, leading more than ten people to study together in a classroom in the church. Because of this, no one at the church found it strange when she invited others to study the Bible.
She told me more directly that the Book of Revelation is about events that have already happened. She talked about the establishment of their church, and hinted again that the person who can unravel the sealed Book of Revelation is the true "lamb". I asked her: "Do you know Li Wanxi? Are you talking about him? Do you have a relationship with Shincheonji?" She did not answer me positively, but simply let the question go. I once again stated that I was not interested. She was very disappointed, and we didn't have contact with each other anymore.
About half a year later, during a gathering at our church, I met another Sister Li, whom I had met the first time at Shincheonj. She brought another sister to our gathering. We were both surprised when we saw each other. When the gathering was over she greeted me, and we talked about our own situations, and she kept my contact information.
Since then, she has been very eager to keep in touch with me. She greeted me and would not immediately discuss anything about faith. But she would then subtly shift the focus of her conversation to our beliefs, and try to convince me with the teachings she knew. Once, she arranged for me to meet with someone who looked better than she did, hoping that I'd respond to them better. That sister was very eloquent and knew a lot about the Bible, but it was obvious that she was trying to indoctrinate me. They even showed me internal videos from their church. They said the videos were for students in advanced courses, but they were so eager for me to understand that they broke the rules. The video was from an assembly in South Korea, with large numbers and mostly young people. At that time, I suddenly realized that this was the video about Shincheonj I'd seen on the Internet forwarded by many brothers and sisters. It was a "game" they organized in the name of love, gathering people from all over the world to spread the "idea of love."
They group members have really been quite caring. In order to make me change my mind, they were always enthusiastic, didn't hesitate to spend money when we met, complimented me, shed tears for me, and even made me feel guilty when I refused them. After thinking about it over and over again, I was ready to break my connection with Sister Li and not even have her as a friend. This is because each time I met them, I felt physically and mentally exhausted. I thought this was the end of my story with them, and then I realized that it was much more than that.
Later, a brother of our church was unable to come to the gatherings because of a work-related injury. Our pastor asked several of us to go to the brother's house twice a week to read the Bible, pray, and share with each other. At one time, two sisters we didn't know came to the gathering. They said that they heard we were reading the Bible together, and they also brought four more people with them. We received them warmly and talked happily with each other.
At a Sunday service, I met two of the six sisters, and one of them recognized me and sat down beside me. While the pastor gave the sermon, she was giving me her own ideas. I found that she was sharing the same doctrine as Shincheonj. I took a closer look at the entire gathering and found that it seemed to have been "invaded" by members of Shincheonj. They sat scattered in different corners of the church, each spreading their ideas to the people around them.
Because they were so unscrupulous, the church attendants had to pick up the microphone and warn the congregation to "be alert to the wolves in sheep's clothing." Another time, when I went to a gathering at another church, I saw one of them again. It seemed that they were everywhere and almost always two people at a time, listening humbly at first, asking questions about salvation in a longing manner, and then beginning to gently debate in their warped manner.
Since that time I have encountered members of the Shincheonj cult more than once. They have great passion for redeeming souls and bringing them out of their original churches. I have been in contact with about ten different members of the Shincheonj group. I was worried about attending any of the churches in that city because Shincheonj had a wide coverage and great mobility. My chances of meeting them were so high that I had a lot of worries. Later, I left the city and never met any of Shincheonj members again.
It took me a long time to get over these worries and sorrows. One of the main reasons is that I left that city and met some good Christians. If I were still in that city, I think I might still be suffering from depression.
- Translated by Sophia Chen
Personal Reflection after "Encounters with Shincheonji": I Was Depressed for Half a Year