Last month, Gospel Talkshow or Tantianshe, a new Christian live broadcast outlet, launched a live program focusing on the intimate relationship among family members in the post-coronavirus age.
The program invited Pastor Li Jianping, the founder of Golden Apple Care, which provides end-of-life care services, and his colleague, Dr. Liu Zhen, a senior psychological counselor, to share their unique perspectives on depression, life and death issues, intimate relationships, etc.
Dr. Liu first introduced the term “adjustment disorder”, which has been often mistaken for depression. She explained that it is normal to go through the phase of “adjustment disorder” when confronted with major changes in society. For most people, it lasts around six months, during which, one may feel anxious, stressful, or depressed. But it is not depression.
As for those who lost their family members in the pandemic, their emotional pain could be more severe. And to deal with such a situation, Pastor Li suggested that life can be viewed as a combination of body and soul, body as a carrier of all the emotions, while soul is where happiness or bitterness comes from. He indicated that if we call someone great, it is praise of his soul, not the body. With a basic understanding of body and soul, it might ease the pain when death arrives.
However, cases of depression need to be professionally treated, both speakers stressed this. Pastor Li said that some Christians with depressive behavior resist counselors, and only pray. While depression means both physical and mental diseases, it needs to be treated professionally. Besides, God creates doctors, including psychiatrists.
Speaking of Christians, Pastor Li also shared how churches could help nowadays. He quoted the example in John: Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. For people coming to churches these days, he suggested that they should find out what they really need and then fulfill that need. If it is food, feed them well; if it is medicine, treat them right; if it is truth, enlighten them with God’s words. Only when the demand is met, would they take a deep look at our church and our spiritual life, and be ready to follow God.
Dr. Liu then added that as Christians we do have great love to share and to give. However, sometimes love is well-intentioned but can result in harm. That is because one’s love is not pure; it may be selfish or have a manipulative purpose. Also, love is not only an emtion, but also a technique, an ability that needs to be constantly practiced and improved.
During the quarantine period, it almost became a social phenomenon that intimate relationships ended up in the vicious cycle of “loving and killing each other”. The more time people spent together, the more conflict emerged, and more emotional pain was felt.
Pastor Li pointed out that this cycle shows exactly how much we lack truth and wisdom in love. And love is reflected from relationships, the details in our daily life can tell the real condition of love. As Dr. Liu mentioned, love must go with relationships, one cannot claim his ability to love when he isolates himself and cuts all the connections.
At the end of the program, the issue of teenage suicide was raised. Dr. Liu said that in the post-coronavirus age, the mental health of teenagers needs special attention because their behavior patterns under such circumstances could deviate from the usual. And if they misbehave, before scolding or punishing them, the parents might need to examine themselves first, as they are the closest role models for the teenagers.
Dr. Liu concluded that, in most cases, people have great expectations when they raise children, hoping that they will be a perfect someone else. But eventually, they could turn out just the same as their old men.
自疫情爆发以来,大家都经历了不少压力,有的是因为疾病,生离死别;工作变动,面临经济压力;家庭危机,关系方面的问题。情绪压力:焦虑,抑郁,对死亡的恐惧。如何自我调适和求助?
李建平,刘瑱
刘老师:适应障碍,遇到社会环境变化,每个人都会经历“适应障碍”,很正常,一般情况下6个月会结束。青少年还会有品行障碍,因为不知道如何处理和应对情绪,会有一些举动被家长们贴上标签,其实是小事变大了。
失眠,怀疑自己得上抑郁症?
刘老师:误解。重大的变化和刺激源,会出现一些症状,但是并不是抑郁症或者焦虑症。现实生活中,疫情阶段,面对家人发生冲突,亲密关系可以帮助我们走过这个阶段。但是有时候亲密关系也会激化冲突。
抑郁:走不出来,找不到路,找不到方向,产生绝望感。耶稣就是道路。如果走不出来,可以寻求身边的支持,牧者或者家人。或者去看精神科的大夫,其实很多心理疾病和精神疾病就像生理的慢性病,比如糖尿病或者高血压,可以带病生存。
“心理感冒”现象,要向周边寻求帮助。
对死亡的恐惧,生命的真相,生与死的问题
李老师:临终关怀,因为对生命没有正确的认识,对未知的恐惧。
如何真正突破恐惧,认识生命才会尊重生命;认识死亡才会不惧死亡。没有准确的认识。
生命不只是身体,更是一个灵魂体。一个人的伟大在于他的思想,而不是他的身体。
生命的主体是灵魂,身体只是在搭建一个平台,是一个载体。喜怒哀乐都是灵魂。
很多身体的病也是灵魂的病,“过度医疗”,就是用过度的医疗资源治疗,其实只是治疗身体,但生命是永恒的。
很多人不是基督徒,怎么得救?
李老师:爱,带着爱心做着让人伤心的事,导致彼此受伤。或者因为没有正确的认知,带着爱让人感受到压力,这和信仰没有关系,因为每个人都是有灵魂。越早了解生命,理解生命的存在,才会有正确的选择,才会给身边的人带来真正的安慰,真正解决痛苦。
作为基督徒,对我们身边的人可以提供哪些帮助?
李老师:教会的作用是什么,得到福音,福音:让人们生活的更好的消息。现在人们涌入教会的目的是什么?并不是一套神学理论,宗教形式,生命需要得到帮助。过度追求物质导致抑郁症,过度追求身体需要而非生命的需要。
耶稣时代,吃饼得饱——病得医治——寻求真道,成为门徒。现在很僵硬的做法,只是给一些刻板的做法,缺乏智慧。这个时代如何传福音,如何真正解决他的需要,当需求被解决之后,才会关注我们所说的,才会信我们所说的。才会愿意探索我们生命中的一些东西,才会关注我们所说的,信我们所说的。很多人生活的很糟糕,包括很多基督徒也是,他们的生活和信仰是有距离的。是用生命去传福音。
所以,这个时代传福音,就是真实地去解决问题。
有的教会对心理辅导是比较排斥的,怎么看待这个问题。
李老师:很多教会有比较多的人有抑郁症,用生硬的方式让他信上帝或者祷告,并没有好起来。诗班的班长,信主20年了,自杀,给当地教会带来很大的负面影响。“新生命”课程,很多抑郁症患者来找到我。人是有灵魂体的,身体有病找医生,不能光靠祷告;思想出了问题,也要找心理医生。医生也是上帝创造的。需要寻找专业的心理咨询师。真实、立体、接地气的信仰生活。
刘老师:很多基督徒,只要祷告就可以。因为圣经里面说,爱是完全。但是在实际生活中有2个问题,1就是现实生活中的爱并不是纯粹的,并不是完全的;2就是能够找到最适合当下的处方,是需要专业知识和技术的。探索人的心路历程需要技术。爱和技术都是需要的,有时候可能会适得其反,无法达到救助别人的目的。
不仅仅要有基督徒的爱,真理作为方向和光,还需要技术和技能,这样才能精准地、有效率地打开他们的心,这样才能把基督的爱传递进去。
主持人:有网友询问如何掌握这样的技能,是否需要考专业心理咨询师的证,这样更容易让人信服?
刘老师:金苹果关怀,微信公众号,有几套原创的课程,倾听同理的技术线上可以学习,不仅仅是理论知识,还有很多教练技术,也有一些公益的课程可以收听。前年这个考试已经暂停了,很多人考过了,但是没有执照的能力,非常混乱。
主持人:疫情期间,很多人出现:关系危机,家庭矛盾,要如何引导,如何走出“相爱相杀”的怪圈?
刘老师:爱和关系。父母都爱子女,但是常常在爱的时候带来伤害。爱的能力,不仅仅是感性的,也是理性的。爱是恒久忍耐……一个人怎么才能恒久忍耐?这些特质都是选择的结果,而选择是理性。激情的爱是容易的,但是长久的爱是需要学习的。爱的能力在哪里学习呢?必须从关系中学习。没有一种爱是可以孤家寡人去学习的。关系是一种验证的场所和环境。如果你不能爱看得见的弟兄,你也不能爱看不见的神。所以所有的爱都需要在关系中验证。
快餐时代,碰到问题不是想着修,而是想着换。当你用这样的策略,爱的生命没有操练,逃不出神的手掌心,换来换去问题都是一样的。上帝为我们量身定制的另一半,就是为了我们能够在爱的生命里有更棒的成长。
李老师:一个人爱的里面肯定有真理。很多人爱的很受伤,其实就是没有智慧,没有真理。爱是一个很广泛的词,但是在关系中会从很多细节中显示出来。
主持人:作为基督徒帮助抑郁症患者,但是在帮助过程中,可能会被对方影响,自己也变得抑郁了,这个怎么办?
刘老师:情绪有一个特点,是会传染的,有影响力的。同理心。开心的情绪是一下子就过去,但是负面情绪的影响相对比较久。上帝给我们柔软的心。
1. 如何不被淹没;2. 如何寻求真理。
自杀:逃避绝望。小孩子,有时候不能明辨。认知和行为无法统一。
Last month, Gospel Talkshow or Tantianshe, a new Christian live broadcast outlet, launched a live program focusing on the intimate relationship among family members in the post-coronavirus age.
The program invited Pastor Li Jianping, the founder of Golden Apple Care, which provides end-of-life care services, and his colleague, Dr. Liu Zhen, a senior psychological counselor, to share their unique perspectives on depression, life and death issues, intimate relationships, etc.
Dr. Liu first introduced the term “adjustment disorder”, which has been often mistaken for depression. She explained that it is normal to go through the phase of “adjustment disorder” when confronted with major changes in society. For most people, it lasts around six months, during which, one may feel anxious, stressful, or depressed. But it is not depression.
As for those who lost their family members in the pandemic, their emotional pain could be more severe. And to deal with such a situation, Pastor Li suggested that life can be viewed as a combination of body and soul, body as a carrier of all the emotions, while soul is where happiness or bitterness comes from. He indicated that if we call someone great, it is praise of his soul, not the body. With a basic understanding of body and soul, it might ease the pain when death arrives.
However, cases of depression need to be professionally treated, both speakers stressed this. Pastor Li said that some Christians with depressive behavior resist counselors, and only pray. While depression means both physical and mental diseases, it needs to be treated professionally. Besides, God creates doctors, including psychiatrists.
Speaking of Christians, Pastor Li also shared how churches could help nowadays. He quoted the example in John: Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. For people coming to churches these days, he suggested that they should find out what they really need and then fulfill that need. If it is food, feed them well; if it is medicine, treat them right; if it is truth, enlighten them with God’s words. Only when the demand is met, would they take a deep look at our church and our spiritual life, and be ready to follow God.
Dr. Liu then added that as Christians we do have great love to share and to give. However, sometimes love is well-intentioned but can result in harm. That is because one’s love is not pure; it may be selfish or have a manipulative purpose. Also, love is not only an emtion, but also a technique, an ability that needs to be constantly practiced and improved.
During the quarantine period, it almost became a social phenomenon that intimate relationships ended up in the vicious cycle of “loving and killing each other”. The more time people spent together, the more conflict emerged, and more emotional pain was felt.
Pastor Li pointed out that this cycle shows exactly how much we lack truth and wisdom in love. And love is reflected from relationships, the details in our daily life can tell the real condition of love. As Dr. Liu mentioned, love must go with relationships, one cannot claim his ability to love when he isolates himself and cuts all the connections.
At the end of the program, the issue of teenage suicide was raised. Dr. Liu said that in the post-coronavirus age, the mental health of teenagers needs special attention because their behavior patterns under such circumstances could deviate from the usual. And if they misbehave, before scolding or punishing them, the parents might need to examine themselves first, as they are the closest role models for the teenagers.
Dr. Liu concluded that, in most cases, people have great expectations when they raise children, hoping that they will be a perfect someone else. But eventually, they could turn out just the same as their old men.
Pastor and Psychologist in Live Broadcast: Coping with Post-pandemic Emotional Pain